On August 10th the finalized security measures for Columbine High were presented by the Columbine Task Force. These measures will be voted on August 19th by the school board, but teachers and school officials will likely begin implementing them before then. Students will be required to wear IDs at all times during school. “What happens to those who don’t wear their IDs? Will they be sent home? Denied an education? Denied lunch? Some students feel we are being punished for what Eric and Dylan did, ” said student Sergio Gonzales. Overall security will be increased at the school and visitors will only be allowed to enter the school through one entrance.
CNN reports that “16 color video cameras that will watch over the school inside and out” and a “third uniformed guard to join a roving patrol, which includes an armed sheriff’s deputy” are new added security measures.
More information was revealed on August 10th about the Conyers, Georgia shooting at Heritage High School on May, 20th. A note by the 15 year old assailant, Thomas Solomon, was found in his room and read to the press by a Georgia Bureau of Investigation officer that said, “One big question I leave behind for you to find is why. But for the sake of my brothers and sisters related to the Trench Coat Mafia, those answers will have to remain out of the public eye.” This is the first time that the shooting appears to be related to the Columbine shooting. “I have been planning to do this for years, but I finally got pissed off enough to do it. This has nothing to do with Hitler, and it is not because I was picked on,” the note continued. Solomon may face up to 351 years in prison if convicted. The defense argues that Solomon is mentally ill.
“As far as I know he was a normal student. No one picked on him,” said senior William Britt of Solomon.
“He heard voices telling him to do strange things, but they were robotic voices, not human voices,” said Dr. Eddy Regnier, who teaches psychiatry at Harvard University and who was hired by defense attorneys to examine Solomon.
(We would like to note that 16-year old Kip Kinkel, who in Springfield, Oregon in May of 1998 opened fire in a high school and also killed his parents, was taking Prozac and heard loud voices in his head who commanded him to kill ).
The Shoels family is living in fear and has left Littleton, according to the New York Post on August 13th. The family has received threats since the shooting. One caller to their home said, “If you don’t keep quiet, something drastic is going to happen to you.” In an interesting revelation the article states, “[Michael] Shoels’ fears began to materialize two days before his son’s burial when two white youths wearing the same black trenchcoats sported by Harris and Klebold stood outside his home in a threatening manner.” The article mentions that Michael Shoels, the father of 18 year old shooting victim Isaiah, is very upset “…that Isaiah was called a ‘nigger’ before he was gunned down by the two Nazi-loving Internet users.” Shoels reportedly will not sleep “in the same bed twice” in fear for his life.
A credible woman living in Highlands Ranch, who has provided us with information in the past, told us the following on August 12th:
“I have received new info regarding Columbine. This comes from a source I know; I also know many of his co-workers. This man wishes to remain anonymous. He was a member of the very first rescue squad to arrive at Columbine, about one hour after the shooting started. His job was to go into the school with the SWAT teams to help the injured and to help escort out students. Every student he saw — he saw a lot — were screaming that there were three shooters in the building! These kids were all coming from different parts of the building so there was no way they could have all gotten together to make this up!
“He said the military was not there when he arrived, but they were there soon after, as was a tank. He did not notice any NATO or U.N. My source knows we are being lied to about the number of shooters because he believes the students and saw their terror. He had no other info.”
Other information was revealed by this woman that indicated understandable reasons as to why the rescue workers — there were at least two who made claims to this effect — wish to remain anonymous. The information was related to the woman’s husband, a former firefighter of over 20 years, by the rescue workers. CRTF has met personally with both of these people and the story has been re-confirmed. The two rescue workers will simply not come forward and share little interest in pursuing the matter.
On August 12th the Associated Press, among other news agencies, reported on a list of “about” 15 people Eric Harris had written. It was considered a “hit list”, however, “…none of the students on the list was injured or killed in the April 20 shooting attack.”
“There’s been a lot of speculation that it included all athletes or minorities. It doesn’t. There’s quite a spectrum there”, said spokesman Steve Davis about the list. “Sheriff’s Division Chief John Kiekbusch said a lot of evidence they gathered on Harris and Klebold ‘didn’t make a lot of sense'”, mentioned the article.
Columbine High School re-opened Monday, August 16th, for the ’99-’00 school year in a flurry of fanfare and celebration. Ribbons were cut. Flags were raised. Triumphant jubilations of pride were gushed by school officials and students. A chain of parents and friends blockaded the news media as students funneled into the school. The songs of rock bands “Pearl Jam”, “Everclear”, “Big Head Todd” and the “Monsters” were blared through loudspeakers. Most students were wearing school-commissioned T-shirts that said, “We Are…Columbine”.
No mention was made of the victims of the April 20th, 1999 attack.
“This is really cool. It’s like a homecoming,” said Julie Lesback, a parent of two Columbine students. “I was so excited, I felt like I was on a sugar high,” said student Kayla Harrison.
On ABC World News Tonight the scene was called “festive”, and film of the event showed a huge stage with speakers that had been erected on school grounds, surrounded by hundreds of students where Principal Frank DeAngelis exclaimed, “I have waited for months to say this, and I say it with great pride. Columbine, we are back!” Students cheered and waved pompoms, others ignored him.
Also on stage was student body president Mike Sheehan, who aroused the crowd when he said, “Although we were surrounded by terror and destruction, we still stood strong. We have prevailed. We have overcome. Welcome home Rebels!”
Dissent was voiced by some students and parents who felt the “human chain” formed by parents was needless, others felt the entire event was overdone. “They left out all the victims. They left out all the injured kids. They were thrown under the carpet. That’s how they’re treating it. I would not allow [my son] to go back into that school,” said Brian Rohrbough, whose son Daniel was killed at Columbine. “This is all really dumb. I think a lot of this is show for the media. The human circle is just adding to the circus,” said student Matt Koch. “It was rah rah. Let’s forget about the kids that died…let’s forget what happened. I think that’s wrong,” said Rick Petrone, the step-father of Daniel Rohrbough.
Four freshly “etched” swastikas were found on Columbine school grounds on August 16th. Two were found in the recently repainted girl’s bathroom, one in the boy’s bathroom, and one outside the school on a wall. The swastikas were small in size. “It’s like they are laughing in our faces, ‘Ha, ha, school’s back in session and so are we,’ ” said parent Tammy Theus.
Division Chief of the Sheriffs Office, John Kiekbusch, said on CNN’s “Early Edition” program on the 16th, “Well, we have witnesses who are identifying additional gunmen. We’re comparing that information against the results of the forensic testing. And, as I indicated, there’s no physical evidence to support the involvement in the attack of another gunman.”
On August 27th, four Jefferson County high schools received “anonymous letters that appear to threaten more violence. Authorities are investigating the letters, which were sent to Dakota Ridge, Standley Lake, Pomona and Bear Creek high schools, said Jefferson County Undersheriff John Dunaway. The letters were sent via U.S. mail…” While the letters were not released to the public, Dunaway said the basic intent of the letters was, “essentially that if you think your schools are safe, you’re mistaken.”
“The threatening letters were typed and contained no specific threats of action, just general statements that the Columbine High massacre was the start of more school violence, district spokeswoman Marilyn Saltzman said.”
This same day school ID requirments — specifically mandates which require students to wear IDs during the school day — were reconsidered by community leaders and school officials due to public dissent. “I have no problem with people knowing who I am. But I do have a problem with being numbered and categorized and catalogued. It’s like living in communist China or Nazi Germany. It makes you feel like less of a person,” said local student Rick Hammack.
August 29th a representative for a major Denver newspaper, which will remain unnamed at this time, responded to questions posed by CRTF about multiple/numerous assailants — including “five to eight” shooters seen by “dozens of witnesses” and reports of a third gunman — at Columbine High on April 20th, 1999. The actual theme of our letter and the questions posed were as to why the witnesses of these multiple shooters have yet to be interviewed by the news media. The representative’s entire response is below:
“Sir, after four-plus months of exhaustive investigations by local authorities, national media and local media, do you really think the possibility of eight shooters actually exists[?] Come on, get real.”
The above response fails to answer our questions as to why witnesses of multiple gunmen have yet to be interviewed by the news media. We shall assume the above quote is the official position of this newspaper concerning the “third gunman” reports. We would remind our readers that no newspaper or official arm of the news media has made any coherent, credible inquiry into the multiple gunmen reports. Witnesses were never interviewed and questions rarely asked. Unfortunately and predictably, the newspaper in question has already made its conclusion on the validity of those reports without, apparently, ever doing any research into the matter.
This is but another example of unprofessionalism and arrogance in the press.
On September 2nd further eye-witness testimony is revealed that more than two gunmen were present during the shooting. See the “John Quinn” section in the sidebar to the right for the story. (CRTF has subsequently confirmed this testimony with the mother of the witness).
September 3rd: The Jefferson County Sheriff’s investigation into the Columbine High School shooting is “winding down”, with 15 remaining investigators still pursuing the case, down from the original 80.
Jefferson County Administrator Ron Holliday reiterated that “there is no physical evidence” of more than two assailants during the shooting. He also said, “The investigation is truly winding down.” With many questions still unanswered, we might add.
In other news, a panel of 20 individuals appointed by Governor Bill Owens released a report stating that funding is needed to aid in the “counseling” of 373,847 people related in some way to the Columbine shooting. These people would include a range of “high”, “moderate” and “low” risk individuals from the victim’s families to “persons who witnessed the incident through the media and the entire state of Colorado.” The funding for such a program would reach into the millions of dollars. Governor Owens blasted the report, stating, “The primary persons at ‘highrisk’ in this report are the taxpayers…I think the mental health professionals who drafted these recommendations need to have their heads examined.”
A second set of threats were mailed to local south Denver schools. The first threats were sent one week ago. The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department has given little indication of what the threats actually say. Officials say they believe the threats were likely crafted by teenagers.
“They don’t tell us anything. They just say, ‘We got a letter, we’re taking care of it.’ I want to know what it said. I think it’s probably just someone goofing around,” said Bear Creek High School student Matt Mansell of the sherrifs office.
The Denver Post reports on September 14th that the Harris family has yet to be interviewed by investigators. Benjamin Colkitt, attorney for the family, remains aloof.
“We’re calling on this nation to immediately stop giving money to the United Way until we have a complete accounting of what I refer to as the charity industry ripoff in Colorado,” said Sam Riddle, spokesman for the Shoels family. The family is furious over how the millions in donations have been handled by the United Way. “The Shoelses have moved out of their Littleton home, saying they didn’t feel safe, and are trying to relocate to Denver. They spend each night in motels, and their children are staying with relatives, ” said The Denver Post.
In an article about evidence to be released to the public by the sheriffs office, The Denver Post stated on September 18th, “School officials and parents had been worried that photos of the library and a surveillance video of the gunmen in the cafeteria might be released as part of the public report.” It was previously reported by the Sheriff’s Department that the video did notshow the gunmen in the cafeteria. The evidence itself — 10,000 photos included — may or may not be included in a final report by the office this November.
On the 18th the Department announces that of the 10,000 crime scene photos of Columbine High, only a few will be released in the sheriff’s final report in November. The final report “is expected to detail how Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold acted alone, both in carrying out the April 20 shootings and hauling in the dozens of pipe bombs they planted in and around the school”, said The Denver Post.
On September 23rd internet magazine Salon.com published a report detailing the entire shooting incident. (source1) (source2)
“…the biggest myth remains that the building was still under siege… Many Columbine students are still unaware that the killers lay dead hours before they fled the building with their hands on their heads. The entire episode lasted less than a half hour.” Such is the conclusion of a lengthy Salon Magazine report by Denver writer David Cullen, dated September 23rd, 1999. The article, in our view, is a mix of fact, important revelations, rehashed material and distortion. CRTF readers will recognize immediately the questionable statement from the above quote. If the shooting “lasted less than a half hour”, who was firing shots after 1 p.m.? Why, then, if the shooters lay dead for so long, did SWAT teams fail to enter the school in a timely fashion and save the lives of those who remained inside?
Another portion of the article states, “Harris and Klebold planted the two main propane bombs in the center of the room just after 11 a.m., then returned to their car to gear up.” The placement of these large bombs was in question for many months — apparently, it has been cleared up. Apparently, the two shooters managed to place two huge propane bombs in the cafeteria — in the “center of the room” — in the presence of students and faculty without anyone noticing. The truth is, no one knows when or how those bombs were placed there. Another fact overlooked by the article is the report that the two shooters were seen on school surveillance video tape shooting at the propane tanks.
We highly recommend that readers visit the Salon web site and make their own conclusions. Those who are learned in the facts of case will immediately recognize some of the oversights, errors, and lurid peculiarities left behind in the article.
Howard Cornell, the manager of security for Jefferson County Public Schools, “abruptly” quit his position also on the 23rd. “Cornell has long envisioned an armed, uniformed security force run from district headquarters.” The community and officials, however, did not agree with his position completely and he decided to quit.
The lawyers for Eric Harris’s parents attempted to remove lawyer Geoffery Fieger from the Sholes’s lawsuit, citing that, “…based upon Mr. Fieger’s record and his recent conduct and comments made with respect to this case, Mr. and Mrs. Shoels’ motion to have Mr. Fieger specially admitted should be denied.” Fieger later blasted back, and criticized the lawyers. A motion was also made to move the proceedings of the lawsuit from Denver to Jefferson County.
The Denver Post published an interesting story on the 26th examining the Sholes family.
Jefferson County School officials, on the 30th, attempted to block the release of a video made by the Littleton Fire Department showing the inside of Columbine High after the shooting and before repairs and renovations were made.
The Post reports on October 3rd that the Harris family will soon meet with investigators after a five-month holdout. (The meeting, as of mid-October, has yet to take place).
On the 5th it was reported that a lawsuit has been filed against the Jefferson Co. school district after hand-made tiles commemorating slain students were removed by officials from the Columbine High grounds — the tiles contained religious symbols and wording. Officials later responded.
Geoffery Fieger announced on the 10th that a litany of new defendants, including gun manufacturers, would be added to the Sholes’s lawsuit.
On October 13th CRTF posts the following report…
An approximately 60 to 90 second edited video tape of at least 20 minutes of raw surveillance tape footage shot within Columbine High School was circulated within law enforcement circles around the country after the shooting in April. This edited version recently found its way to Albuquerque at a school safety seminar for law enforcement officials, which was attended by CBS Affiliate KRQE-TV. The news affiliate videotaped the footage off of the projector where the tape was being shown. The story was then presented on the CBS Evening News. Officials with the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office were quietly outraged — some even suggested legal action be taken against those who had circulated the tape into the hands of people unauthorized to view it (read: the public).
The tape contains two scenes of assailants at Columbine High — both scenes originated in the cafeteria. One of the shots shows what appears to be a man, though quite possibly Eric Harris, in a white T-shirt bending down in an assault-position and firing into the cafeteria (the other shot is brief, showing a gunman diving as a bomb detonates nearby). The person appears at first glance to have a pony tail and dark hair. He is not wearing a trench coat. The gun he is using appears to have a sling. In the tape, he appears to be calm, collected and capable. He may also be wearing a helmet or mask. One newspaper, however, conveniently identified both gunmen in the blurry tape, “The tape also captures Eric Harris entering the cafeteria and firing a 9mm carbine across the chair- and table-strewn room…the tape shows Klebold diving for cover moments before a bomb explodes.” (As for Klebold diving from an explosion, one very credible reader wrote to us and noted, “The gentleman in the video diving before the bomb went off was a teacher – check out the dress pants and the dress shoes”).
We would remind our readers that witnesses reported a wide range of sightings, from men in masks to the popularized theme of two trench-coated figures. There was a report of an “ugly” man with dark hair and bushy eyebrows in a trench coat. A “kid in a white T-shirt” was seen accompanying two trench-coated assailants (though these reports were buried by the newsmedia).
Please note the following comments made by a Denver researcher, “This is my professional opinion — having worked in film and video for years — that the video has been fooled around with. If you look at the stills, they are in blue. But the CCTV camera in the cafeteria is black and white. Now, for the reason you use a blue haze on a black and white film or still [is] simple, a blue haze put over a black and white frame will cast shadows on the subjects in the frame, thereby clouding the clarity of the video frame. Now, why would you do that? Simple; so that you can’t see clearly the faces of the people in the frame. I should know, I do this on feature films when I’m doing lighting to cast shadows on the actors faces to make them seem mysterious.”
While the above photo is in black and white, the video on the CBS News web site has a blue tint to it and is very unclear.
Special thanks to a reader for the following graphic:
The 9mm rifle in the surveillance photo seems to be about 5 inches shorter than the actual rifle. Nevertheless, both rifles appear to be the same. The rifle in the picture may be shorter due to the lack of a suppressor or muzzle break.
Please read the following articles:
John Quinn’s report
CBS story 1 & 2 (w/ full video clip) ( * Removed by CBS. Only works with Internet Explorer)
The Denver Post – “Aired video irks sheriff”; “CBS airs cafeteria tape”; “Decision not to air is suspect”
The Denver Rocky Mountain News – “Station airs video from Columbine”; “Police say Columbine tape…”; “Police want video copier…prosecuted”
* The video clip on the CBS web site has been removed. The original clip could not be saved to a hard drive, and efforts to capture images from it were futile. If you can provide a location where the clip can now be found please email us.
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On the 15th Columbine High School teacher Patti Nielson has announced her leave of absence from the school to deal with the emotional pain involved in being a witness to the tragedy of April 20th.
On October 20th a 17-year old Columbine High student, Eric Veik, was arrested and jailed (with bond set at an astronomical $500,000) on the night of October 19th on charges of “inciting destruction of life or property, and theft for allegedly stealing a school microphone”. Officials were given word of the student’s plans, which included a diagram of the school and other writings, by a fellow student who had heard him say he would “finish the job” in the wake of the April 20th tragedy by initiating another shooting.
The Denver Rocky Mountain News has reported the most complete story so far.
The Denver Post also released a story which reveals a great deal of information. The Denver Post (on November 11th) submitted a request to open the proceedings in the sentencing of the student. The proceedings have been closed from the public by Judge DeVita.
On October 22nd, the mother of a Columbine High victim killed herself with a gun in a Denver-area pawn shop. The following is a sad, shocking and inexplicable story that should put into perspective what a great tragedy the shooting was.
November 11th: In a phone conversation with a young woman, who intimately knew both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, further information was revealed on the recently released surveillance tape, Eric Harris’s autopsy report, and the confusion over the identity of a student arrested at Columbine High on April 20th.
The young woman tape recorded the footage of the surveillance tape (see story below) when it first aired on television. She relayed to CRTF that the tape shows a “gunman” bending down and firing a gun. As we indicated below, the “gunman” seems to have a pony tail. The young woman noticed this immediately upon viewing the tape, and says that during most of the scene the pony tail is visible (she also said that he was not wearing a helmet). Eric Harris did not have long hair and did not have a pony tail.
She says that in the tape, when the gunman stands up and walks off, his face is noticeably “blurred”, while the rest of his body appears clear and at normal resolution. She felt the tape had been altered to hide the gunman’s face, which is unrecognizable on the tape. She also said that the gunman was wearing a relatively small vest on his chest, seen when he approached the camera. A strap holding the vest was wrapped around the gunman’s neck. Asked if the strap could account for the pony tail, the young woman felt otherwise and said the strap was thick and large.
In another scene on the tape, the young woman says that the person diving from an ignited bomb is not Dylan Klebold, as reported by the newsmedia. She says that he is wearing fully black attire in the tape.
Eric Harris had short dirty blonde hair was not known to have dyed his hair. However, his autopsy report indicated that his hair was dark brown or black. It was either dyed or bloodstained. The young woman, who personally knows Brooks Brown, said that Brown had told her that when he saw Harris unloading gym bags from his car before the shooting began on April 20th Harris’s hair was not dyed. She also said that Brown has expressed dismay to her as to why the sheriffs office has remained suspicious of him.
The young woman expressed that she never would have believed that Harris and Klebold were capable of carrying out such a shooting. She also feels that other shooters were likely involved. She told CRTF that she remembers seeing television footage taken from a helicopter on the day of the shooting. The footage showed a view of the busted windows around the library portion of the school. As the helicopter filmed the scene, two young men approached the windows from the inside. One of them was Dylan Klebold. The other was not Eric Harris, according to the young woman. CRTF also recalls seeing this specific footage broadcast the day of the shooting.
In other news, an Associated Press article from April 22nd says that two 35-pound bombs were found in the school cafeteria by investigators. Since late April the newsmedia has maintained that only one large propane bomb was found in the cafeteria. The article also emphasizes the concern officials expressed at the possibility that more accomplices may have been involved in the shooting. Since May, that concern has all but vanished. See article locations 1 (not found) and 2.
In an unprecedented move, a committee formed by a group of Colorado state legislators, chaired by Rep. Penn Pfiffner (R-Lakewood), has blasted psychotropic “mind-altering” drugs being inflicted upon the nation’s young people. The committee is asking the Colorado state Board of Education to ban the use of the government-mandated drug Ritalin in Colorado schools.
The committee, connected with the Church of Scientology and comprised of a number of state legislators, paraded a group of qualified experts before cameras and journalists Tuesday. The group blasted so-called “Attention Deficit Disorder”, saying the ADD diagnosis is unproved. The committee blamed the CIA, military-industrial complex and pharmaceutical companies for forcing upon America’s children an epidemic of mind-altering drugs that only do more harm than good. They cited recent cases of school shootings, and noted that most of the assailants involved in the shootings were on ADD-prescribed drugs. Eric Harris’s use of Luvox was given as an example.
Sen. Jim Congrove (R-Arvada), when confronted with the notion that Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold was not on any drug, mused, “You don’t know that he wasn’t.”
Dr. Peter Breggin, an M.D. and psychiatrist, testified that there is “no evidence that Ritalin improves long-term behavior.” He also said that Luvox has a “cocaine-like effect” and that “scientific evidence is irrefutable” that Luvox causes “psychotic mania” in about 4 percent of the young people who take it.
Pro-drug groups in Colorado blasted the efforts to ban the use of psychotropic drugs in schools — some said they were “outraged” and expressed “strong opposition” to any measure to ban the use of the drugs by schools. The Denver Post made its position clear: the efforts to ban these drugs are being conducted by a group of “clowns” and “whackos” in a “circus” of “paranoia”. The paper also warns that likely not enough of the nation’s children are diagnosed with ADD — See articles provided below.
A reader from Denver, Mr. James D. Schindler, wrote to us and said, “[Chuck Green’s] report was totally inaccurate and bordered on character assassination [ed. note: see Green article below]. I was at the hearings, both the State School Board hearings regarding their resolution (it passed 6-1), and the Legislative hearings at the Statehouse. For your information, the School Board had already started moving through the passage of their resolution prior to Rep. Pfiffner setting up the Statehouse hearings.
“I went into the hearings carrying my own knowledge related to personal experience with kids and drugs, legal and illegal. I was objective in my approach when listening to testimony on both sides of the issue. I did not understand why those of the APA (American Psychiatric Assn.) would be so ‘up in arms’ over a resolution which advocates that school personnel not become involved in medical decisions, but rather rely on those in the medical profession for those decisions.
“Why would they (APA) resist being placed in a position of sole authority when it comes to medical decisions? It became much more clear to me when I watched a video of the APA’s Consensus Hearings on ADD/ADHD, held recently. They were having a very difficult time coming up with a statement for the public regarding the diagnostic criteria of these disorders/diseases. When asked by one of the hearings attendees what they looked for as classic symptoms demonstrated by a child who would be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, no one could provide any definitive answer. It was simply that ‘you know it when you see it’, and, ‘if a parent and the child’s teacher come to you stating that they believe the child has some problem…’ What that tells me is that the diagnoses is not made by the physician, but rather by a consensus that ‘something seems wrong’, as observed by the parent and teacher! When the teacher is being asked by the school board not to become involved in something that is out of their area of expertise (via the resolution), the end result is the removal of fifty percent of the diagnostic criteria currently being used by the APA to validate putting children on prescription drugs. This raises very serious questions in my mind, as I feel it should in the minds of others.
“One last thing, for this time anyway, relates to the total lack of information being passed on to parents of ADD/ADHD children regarding potential side effects and negative reactions of the prescribed medications. As the information gradually gets out, many parents are horrified with the realization that these substances have the potential to produce such negative results, which are directly opposite of the desired results.”
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“Drugs for unruly kids attacked”
http://web.archive.org/web/20000823162838/http://www.denverpost.com/news/leg/leg1110.htm
“Hearing more like a circus” – by Chuck Green
http://web.archive.org/web/20000823162838/http://www.denverpost.com/news/leg/leg1110.htm
“Board to soften drug resolution”
http://web.archive.org/web/20000823162838/http://www.denverpost.com/news/news1111d.htm
“Ritalin can be right Rx” – by Diane Carmen
http://web.archive.org/web/20000823162838/http://www.denverpost.com/news/carman1111.htm
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