But I still sent him free copies of my magazine. And I saw his style shift slightly towards that in my own work and in the magazine. Our articles about the illusory nature of reality, the non-physical nature of the ‘reptilians’ and their illusory nature started creeping into his work. He started contradicting himself and seemed to be finding it difficult to correlate a cogent definition of what the reptilians were. After exposing the fake ET agenda in my magazine, I noticed he wasn’t giving space to ET reptiles any more. But never once did he ever say he was mistaken. He just steamrolls ahead, changing his mind about things and gradually moving from one interpretation to another via a process of contradictions. Things he used to mock others for, he later accepts.
Now he is grossly misrepresenting quantum physics (what the bleep style) and using fiction such as the Matrix to try and convince people that everything is an illusion and that our beliefs create reality. I see people really starting to dissociate into way out cult consciousness with this new approach. And getting people to dissociate from reality is EXACTLY what the Illuminists are trying to achieve. There ARE rules and laws of physics that exist with or without our observations. To tell you that science has proved otherwise is nonsense. Again, he clearly has a very shallow understanding of that material if he believes that science is proving these things. To create a current dissociated religious cultic mindset, you have to keep it up to date, so you create modern interpretations, exciting sounding quantum theories, tales of spaceships and ETs etc. to do it. In ancient times it was the same – they created Christianity by simply rewriting it according to modern references. If they’d had technology then, Jesus would have been brought into Jerusalem in a car or even ascended in a spaceship, rather than on a donkey and in a supernatural format.
Mitch, you remind me of me when I didn’t know most of the above, before I heard of the low esteem that others in the ‘circuit’ have for him, his research and his integrity. The biggest fans of Icke are those who read his books and attend his lectures, who usually have less than the requisite information to judge his material and who don’t realize that most of the material was researched by others and collated by David. But those who do that research tend not to agree with his interpretations of their work. They enjoy the new found attention for a while and say nothing about it, but in my experiences, those who communicate with me personally do not speak out about their concerns for fear of causing a distraction to ‘the cause.’
Oh you can’t criticize the man as he’s on our side – an ally. I have seen that position change a number of times once they get the inevitable Icke brush off.
To me, Icke bears all of the main attributes of a cult leader. I am of the opinion that ALL who open themselves to guidance from external forces are being manipulated by the unseen archons that influence religion, control the Illuminists, Masons, cults, New age channellers, prophets etc. they are astral souls who did not ascend to Source and are stuck in the astral heavens that they themselves created by their misperceptions whilst alive. They see themselves as ascended masters and guides and are trying to program humanity via their influence through the auric field, by pre-programming souls to reincarnate into new born souls, all with the intention of creating their heaven on earth. They create gurus and messiahs and prophets – and these people then program others by dint of their cult of personality. Many are absolutely genuine and don’t realize that spirituality comes from within, even though they continually tell people it does.
They lose self-awareness and become convinced they are on a mission to save others, or they cannot ignore the drive to preach to others what is being fed to them from ‘beyond’. The more they heed the voices and the more mystical experiences they have, the more they open up. And their drive is male intellectual energy. It isn’t felt within, it doesn’t come from their spirit, it is downloaded and repeated. Their veil of perception makes them see only what the controllers want them to see. They filter what goes in and then spew it out as a distortion of reality. They don’t sympathize or empathize with others, they intellectualize and create rules and regulations and interpretations to explain things to others. They believe they have a gift and become impermeable to criticism, finding reinforcement of their opinions by others who parrot back the same misperceptions to them, and they couldn’t care about those who disagree.
The effect that has on followers is submission, and they too get infected by the same consciousness. Cult members are usually replications of characteristics of their idols. But you disrespect their guru and often you see a radical shift, from parroting the usual ‘love’ to venomous attacks on the critic. They become less penetrable to reason and more faithful to the idol, as they see the criticism as proof that the idol is right, and need to protect them from the heretical critic. They look down on the critic, sometimes hate the critic, and ignore however much reasonable information the critic provides in his case. They invent and assume things about the critic, because they are not ready to accept that perhaps the critic is honestly reasonable.
And having communicated with hundreds and hundreds of Icke fans over the last 15 years, as well as cult followers of many variations, I personally see the same psychic traits in many of them. The same denials, and the same patterns developing.
This is why I have been outspoken about Icke. I think people need to know that there are forces at work that control the minds of people on this planet that are largely unrecognized. They play sides against each other, create distractions, and even create belief systems that address their very existence, but divert and distort it so much that they have a net for virtually everyone to fall into. They set patterns of thinking in your mind via key personalities, and this creates a veil that filters perception. By the end of your life you end up in a loop of recycling your soul between their ‘heaven’ and this planet. They want your soul, that’s all.
When Icke hears voices, when he accepts that ‘they’ have chosen him for a special task – it cannot be coming from within – from Source. That experience is different – no voices, no face to face with God, or masters, no alien experiences or ‘trips’ or angelic encounters. That is ALL coming from the astral sphere in which previous PEOPLE have chosen to become guides, angels, ETs, teachers, to guide people through life and into what they on earth viewed was the TRUTH. But if they knew the truth, they would never have ended up in that state.
Icke’s Matrix is real. But Icke’s portrayal of it and understanding of it is like a naive child’s. He has no depth of understanding and insufficient experience in the field. His veil is strong, and his influence great – because he connects his ignorant level of energy with others of ignorance and the energy is transferred, auric field breached, and controllers plugged in.
You yourself spoke of feeling the flow at his meetings. Me too – I had to leave the room at one of his lectures because something was desperately trying to force its way into me. But because I know what is going on, I defend myself – whereas 99.99% of people on this planet have no idea what is going on. Icke is one of them – he gets flashes of it but they always steer those into their own propaganda. They get in first with people like Icke, so that anyone revealing the truth of it will fall on deaf ears, on those that have already believed they have the answer and have already plugged into their astral reality, and have already reinforced the Veil of perception.
Mitch, you appear to be suggesting an ulterior motive for my posting at this time. It is synchronicity that things have become heated here against Icke. I came to network a new health article. 2 days later I read of the issue occurring with Icke removing his association with this forum. I saw a lot of anger and criticism – and I saw a few minds starting to realize that there is a different side to Icke that they hadn’t appreciated. Then I got an email advertising the latest newsletter and I decided to post my views on his incessant references to Semiramis. Following that, I did start adding my experiences with Icke to the thread, because I believe people deserve to know and it helps give context and perspective.
I am not here to tell anyone to believe me, I am exercising my right to have my say. I am doing what I believe is right, because I am passionately concerned that in general icke readers tend to get a distorted picture of life through the Icke lens, and they deserve to know that there are other interpretations, as well as errors in his material. Fortunately, I have studied many of these topics and can hopefully shed a bit more light. It is up to people to interpret what I say in whatever way they wish.
From the feedback here, it would appear that many people are glad to have some of the information because it makes sense to them. Others will undoubtedly question my motivation – that always happens, as does the conspiracy theories and the trolling and flaming, wherever I post, it follows.
All I have to say is that everything I have posted is done with the best of intentions and is true to the best of my knowledge.
I am not trying to stop people reading Icke, liking Icke, or anything else. I just believe that the more information we have, the more reasonably we can make our choices in life.
I call a spade a spade – Icke calls hundreds of people publicly and makes money out of it. Icke exposes what he considers to be charlatans, and so do I – and I think Icke is one, and I presented my case. You don’t have to accept it. And naturally, you probably are thinking the same or similar about me. And although such things sadden me, I understand and accept the consequences. All I can do is tell it the way I see it – and have the courtesy to put a lot of time and effort into it, rather than a few loaded one liners.
If you would have the courtesy to provide me with further references for the Australian Annannu, I will check it out. But as I alluded to earlier, I’m finding it tough going at the moment, so would like to have some time away from the forum.
[divider]Arizona Wilder’s story appeals to a certain strain of New Age folks who no longer subscribe to the notion that Satan and God are locked in battle for our souls, but still want to believe there’s a Really Really Bad Guy (someone else) and a Really Really Good Guy (themselves) locked in battle for cosmic order. In the case of Ms. Wilder, the Really Really Bad Guys were holographic, interdimensional lizard people from Mars and their half-human spawn.
Today, Wilder goes by her married name, Jennifer Kealey, and contends that the same people who subjected her to mind control programming and ritualistic abuse in her childhood manipulated her into telling stories about lizard people. In short, she has retracted just about everything you’re about to read.
Wilder was introduced to the world in 1999 by David Icke, the world’s foremost expert on holographic interdimensional lizard people from Mars (or Reptilians, as he calls them), via a video interview titled Revelations of a Mother Goddess. Icke has never actually met a Reptilian, but in the ’90s, strangers began to approach him with terrifying stories of Reptilian encounters. One woman even watched her boyfriend morph into a lizardman mid-coitus. (1) Though not one authentic photograph or video of a Reptilian has surfaced in the nearly 20 years since Icke first started hearing about them, this hasn’t stopped him from turning the Reptilian overlords into the foundation stone of his Temple of Crazy. He has mentioned them at great length in every book he has written since 1998’s The Biggest Secret (the big secret, of course, being that we are controlled by lizard-human hybrids who worship Satan, drink human blood, and walk among us as ordinary-looking bank managers).
Icke has never adequately explained the need for all this subterfuge. If these lizards are so badass, I say they should openly declare their ownership of the planet and be done with it.
At the time Icke conducted his videotaped interview with Arizona Wilder, she was a fortyish American woman who claimed to have been a high priestess of the Satanic Illuminati Lizard people cult for much of her life. With all the emotion of a cashier repeating your order through a fast-food intercom, Wilder explained to us how she was raised up and mentally scrambled by the most evil bastards you can possibly imagine, including Dr. Josef Mengele (déjà vu and déjà vu again, right?).
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Arizona, born Jennifer Ann Nagel, told Icke she was prenatally selected to become an Illuminati priestess, also known as a Mother Goddess or Starfire. The Illuminati is obsessed with bloodlines, and Jennifer apparently had all the markers of a perfect specimen. In addition to her genetic profile, the Illuminati was impressed with her psychic abilities. She doesn’t explain how these were detected in utero.
Some online articles on Wilder mention that she has sisters. Wilder herself didn’t talk about them at that time. She said she didn’t know who her real father was; she only knew he couldn’t be the man who called himself her father, because he came from an “impure bloodline”. Arizona hasn’t divulged her precise heritage, but she identifies herself as Aryan and says she dies her fair hair to keep the Illuminati away from her. Paradoxically, she also hints that her maternal ancestry involves the Rothschilds. You’ll be seeing many such contradictions in her story.
Jennifer had a seemingly normal upbringing in California, raised by her birth mother and a man she identified as her stepfather. Both of the Nagels were elementary school teachers.
Her memories of Satanic Reptilians were “recovered” during adult psychotherapy, like Lauren Stratford’s “memories”. In 1989, she realized her past contained large amounts of missing time. Gradually, over the course of a decade (1989-’99), she “recovered” memories of sexual abuse by her stepfather, mind control programming, and ritual abuse. She realized that her parents had been forced to move to California in her infancy so she could begin training as a high priestess in the Illuminati, which practices “Satanism” (basically Druidic Paganism with human sacrifice). California, she explained to Icke, is the international headquarters of the High Council. So far, her story jives fairly well with those of Mike Warnke and John Todd, who also identified California as the hub of a national Satanic network.
Trauma-based mind control was used to “compartmentalize” young Jennifer with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). She was subjected to electroshock, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, sensory overload, and more sophisticated forms of mind control, including tri-tonal frequencies somewhat resembling Robert Monroe’s patented Hemi-Sync process. The programming was sometimes combined with elements of ancient Druidic rituals. Most of it was conducted on military bases, primarily China Lake Naval Base in the California desert. This particular locale was probably not a random choice on Wilder’s part; as mentioned in the Mengele section of the last post, in 1995 a woman named Chris Denicola told the Presidential Commission on Radiation that she had been subjected to torture and mind control programming by a Dr. Greene at China Lake in the ’60s and ’70s.
Wilder’s primary programmer was Josef Mengele, whom she (and numerous other government mind control victims) claim was brought into the U.S. under Project Paperclip to conduct horrific psychological experiments on children. “Former Illuminati Satanist” Bill Schnoebelen mentioned this in his Prophecy Club lecture “Exposing the Illuminati from Within” (c. 1996). Mengele made little effort to disguise his physical appearance or his thick German accent, but called himself “Dr. Green”
Dr. Green introduced Jennifer to Illuminati Satanism, taking her to rituals in the U.S., France, and Britain. Her parents didn’t interfere, being Illuminati zombies with Dissociative Identity Disorder themselves. Just in case they did object to her training, though, the Nagels were told their daughter had an IQ of 70 and required special attention. In elementary school, she was repeatedly transferred to different classrooms and seemed to have learning difficulties.
Wilder doesn’t speak much about her alter personalities, and she hasn’t made it clear if she is now integrated, or still suffers DID. In a 2001 presentation, she described one alter named “Alice in the Gray Place”, an artefact of Alice in Wonderland programming (according to Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, many levels of government mind control are based on popular children’s books and movies, The Wizard of Oz being particularly favored by the Illuminati).
Various groups within the Illuminati system schooled Jennifer in history, the paranormal arts, and ritual magic. She was taken to an underground military installation beneath Area 51 to meet cloned cyborg dolphin-alien hybrids known as cybers, as well as real aliens. At another military base, she was taught to communicate with dolphins, for some reason. At UCLA she was part of the parapsychological research conducted by Dr. Thelma Moss (in which Dr. Louis Jolyon West participated, she said). The Janus Group taught her how to psychically murder. When she was five years old, she was taken to Leningrad for psychic experiments jointly conducted by Soviet scientists and the KGB. The Soviets subjected young Jennifer to near-drowning in icewater on three separate occasions to induce Near Death Experiences, as part of their research. The Mothers of Darkness (a fictional witch coven described in Fritz Springmeier’s books) taught her that the Aryans came to Earth from Mars about 6000 years ago, after Mars was invaded by Reptilian aliens. The Reptilians followed them 2000 years later, masquerading as gods to fool humans into obeying them. By interbreeding with select Aryans, the Reptilians created an elite bloodline that persists to this day. Though they appear wholly human, they’re actually holographic projections surrounding 7′-12′ tall, bipedal lizards who can bip in and out of other dimensions at will. These alien-human hybrids maintain their human shape most of the time, but when exposed to human blood they go crazy and begin to lose control over their holographic projections, morphing into their lizard manifestations. Wilder and Icke referred to this as “shapeshifting”. Never trust a lizard, folks.
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According to Icke and other researchers, the Reptilians don’t possess many human emotions, but they do have an innate urge to worship Satan (this is more than a bit odd, if they’re the ones who invented all the pre-Judaic religions in the first place). Furthermore, they need humans to conduct their Satanic rituals, because they do not possess psychic abilities. And apparently you have to be psychic to worship the Devil in the appropriate manner. This is where Jennifer and her fellow “Mothers of Darkness” come in. It was Jennifer’s job, as an Illuminati high priestess, to stand within a hexagram, a pentagram, and a triangle drawn on the ground and summon the evil “Old Ones”, ancient Reptilians from another dimension. As Wilder describes it, this Reptilian religion is something like ancestor worship crossed with Paganism crossed with a B movie.
Hers was an exalted position within the Illuminati. At any given time, there are only three Mother Goddesses in the entire world, which brings to mind Cisco Wheeler‘s bizarre rant about three “Mothers of Darkness” who will someday “rule and reign with the antichrist as his queen when he takes his throne”. But Mother Goddesses, for some reason, have a limited shelf life. By tradition, they are slaughtered and replaced by their own daughters when they reach the age of 52. Wilder escaped this fate only because she began to recover her repressed memories in her forties. She doesn’t mention offing her own mother, so I guess we can assume that Mrs. Nagel simply wasn’t Mother Goddess material.
The alternate title for Mother Goddesses, “Starfire”, is a reference to menstrual blood. In The Biggest Secret, Icke calls it the “female lunar essence”, treasured by the ancients. Virgin priestesses offered it up to the elite as a life-prolonging “nectar of the gods” (ew, right?). He tells us the word “ritual” derives from this practice, as ritu means “red” in some ancient language or other. To the Reptilians, however, this is more than just a ritual practice. Icke tells us, “Drinking menstrual blood has always been a feature of the reptilian bloodlines because they need blood to live in this dimension.” Without it, they cannot hold their human shape. (1, 295)
This starfire gibberish came from the late Laurence Gardner, who first wrote about it in a series of Nexus magazine articles in 1998. I tried to find out if there was one iota of truth to it. In short: No, menstrual blood was not revered by our ancestors. In fact, people throughout the ages have found it pretty icky, even ritually unclean, and have done their best to avoid contact with it by any means necessary.
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